DoubleTap Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 "Speaking of DT, either he hasn't read this yet, or he's sworn off all political discussion," Not bloody likely... Andy, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer57 Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 WTF? Racist lynchmob? Ditto DT. We were all very reserved, even myself, compared to our true anger at this. And I and at least one other Dogz DID voice concern about his possible innocence, I pointed out that due process requires a hearing a possibly a new trial. Releasing him under the current status of Islamic terrorist is INSANE, and rest assured of the celebrations in our enemy's camp. This sends the wrong message and assists the enemy. As stated above, if they released him to avoid embarrassment, then the Scottish judicial system has sunk to the level of the US one, depending on what state one is in. We are also concerned that they are placating an alternate motivator. Scotland is a nation, not a race btw, and please point out to me where the racism was. Mr. West sir, (if you are even reading any of this), we fly a WW2 flight sim.......I can't see how one can be so sensitive and participate in a fairly realistic re-enactment of the bloodiest war in history that was started primarily because of pacifists like Neville Chamberlain and American firsters. I would suggest checking out a little history so you can understand our references sir. I hope u stick around so we can help you gain said familiarization, and I mean that respectfully, and for your benefit, and hope to fly with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribunus Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 The predominent thinking here is that a deal was cut for one of two reasons 1) To save the Scottish Judicial system from potential embaressment as there are strong indications that had the appeal been heard then evidence would be presented that rendered his origonal conviction invalid. 2) Oil contracts are being considerd for Lybia and BP is in contention so the UK needed to keep Gadaffi onside. However there are arguments against both the above 1) Many think the appeal would have failed and vindicated our justice system 2) The release was under the Justice Secretery of a devolved Scottish parliment and not the UK goverment. Whatever anyone thinks this was ultimately one mans decision having followed the procedures under Scots Law and given consideration of all the factors involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta7 Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 ~S~ Mate Was there compelling evidence that would have justified an appeal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribunus Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 ~S~ delta7 Thank you Mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairgowrie Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Whatever the reason I doubt cost was the reason. He has months to live so keeping him jail for that term wouldnt have cost much . It was my feeble attempt at a joke David. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD_Arthur Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 I know for a fact that Scotland released him because they wanted to spare themselves the expense. The compassion story was a blind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer57 Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Delta's info is very useful here. I also saw where there were crowds of indignant Scots who were raising all sorts of hell about this in public, maybe even chunking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta7 Posted August 22, 2009 Share Posted August 22, 2009 Whatever the reason I doubt cost was the reason. He has months to live so keeping him jail for that term wouldnt have cost much . It was my feeble attempt at a joke David. No Problems Jim S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snacko Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 Just saw this poll on Fox News: Do You Agree With Decision to Release Lockerbie Bomber? [*:3m6kndvf]Yes. It's a compassionate move by Britain 3% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 With the people involved (Blair, Brown, Mendelson, and air miles Andy) I wouldnt be surprised if there was anything shady going on. As to the guys guilt, IF the evidence was rigged as it allegedly was it get somebody to pay for the crime, I doubt whether we will find out the truth. It has been suggested that the FBI / CIA thought that Iran and Syria were behind the bombing but the US didnt want to name them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAim Posted August 24, 2009 Share Posted August 24, 2009 There is certainly little argument that it's a big bloody convoluted mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer57 Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Yeah, but "Lynch Mob' would be a great name for a squadron. And I am certainly an open minded lynch mob member. My dog Stan and my mother's cat Frank had an ......'unusual' relationship. I never gave them any grief about it, though Frank sometimes looked a bit confused. How can anybody call ME a racist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD_Bucky Posted August 25, 2009 Share Posted August 25, 2009 Yeah, but "Lynch Mob' would be a great name for a squadron. And I am certainly an open minded lynch mob member. My dog Stan and my mother's cat Frank had an ......'unusual' relationship. I never gave them any grief about it, though Frank sometimes looked a bit confused. How can anybody call ME a racist? LOL, Enforcer! That's just wrong...... .......Ruh Roh,....here Russy,russy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfesser Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 After all the info I've heard about business influencing government policy I would think that would be the most likely reason for his release. Someone wants a favour. That just makes someone just as dirty as the bomber. Lockerbie bomber 'set free for oil' http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6814939.ece The British government decided it was “in the overwhelming interests of the United Kingdom†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribunus Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 I’ve found that huge numbers of people in the Middle East believe that it is the UK not the U.S. who is the main Western Power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JensenPark Posted August 31, 2009 Author Share Posted August 31, 2009 and the UK reports to BG. Be afraid...be very afraid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribunus Posted August 31, 2009 Share Posted August 31, 2009 and the UK reports to BG. Be afraid...be very afraid. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2. Administrators Jabo Posted August 31, 2009 2. Administrators Share Posted August 31, 2009 Good to see he's feeling better according to the Libyan press. I should think that a certain person formerly of this parish will be pleased about that. He might just be in the minority though... Jabo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyPup Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 A lengthy but worthwhile read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enforcer57 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Well, it appears that the UK govt made some kinda oil deal with Libya recently that included this. I thought it was just some SCotiish Judges who went nuts and were imitating the ones in the US, especially Ga. I'll be kinda alarmed if that's true. I guess oil companies own the world. All I got to say about it. Neville Chamberlain has been re-animated I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2. Administrators Jabo Posted September 1, 2009 2. Administrators Share Posted September 1, 2009 Not the UK Government Enforcer, BP have a deal in place for drilling tests in Libya. The Libyans threatened not to go ahead with this unless al-Megrahi's name was included in a prisoner transfer exchange. It is highly unusual (it says here) for a specific individual to be named in this way as these deals normally are done just in numbers. As you say though, I suspect the oil companies concerned have a hand in this somewhere. It makes me sad for the familes of the innocents on flt103 (get that AJW? 'innocent' not 'possibly innocent') that the deaths of so many can be brushed aside for reasons of political expediency and the interests of big business. Just my (non-racist) two cents. Jabo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Not the UK Government Enforcer, BP have a deal in place for drilling tests in Libya. The Libyans threatened not to go ahead with this unless al-Megrahi's name was included in a prisoner transfer exchange. It is highly unusual (it says here) for a specific individual to be named in this way as these deals normally are done just in numbers. As you say though, I suspect the oil companies concerned have a hand in this somewhere. It makes me sad for the familes of the innocents on flt103 (get that AJW? 'innocent' not 'possibly innocent') that the deaths of so many can be brushed aside for reasons of political expediency and the interests of big business. Just my (non-racist) two cents. Jabo Are you surprised Jabo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2. Administrators Jabo Posted September 1, 2009 2. Administrators Share Posted September 1, 2009 Are you surprised Jabo? Unfortunately no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadAim Posted September 2, 2009 Share Posted September 2, 2009 It's the natural progression of all things politic. It at first seems for the common good......then it ends up only good for the government. The problem is less the government but the bureaucracy that necessarily goes with it, I fear. One must wonder if the righties' mistrust of all things government isn't well founded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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