OverDhill Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Hey guys Fruitbat invited me to join your website. I am recently retired and have decided that FPS games were stale so I have ventured into flight sims. Actually I flew a couple back on my Amiga 2000 but that was a long time ago. I have upgraded my main gaming rig to Intel Core i7-3770K Quad-Core Processor 3.5 GHz ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 EVGA GeForce GTX 660 SUPERCLOCKED 2048MB G.SKILL Sniper Series 8GB Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit I also have a second PC networked for Helios (my old game machine with a E6750 and 560TI card) with a Samsung ELO 24" touchscreen. I have a Trackir 5 setup and it works great. Probably the main reason I decided to get back into Flight sims after seeing a video of it in action. I am working on a Helios and UDP Speed skin right now while I wait for my new HOTAS (had to senf back the X-52Pro set do to a defect). I find having the controls on the touchscreen and at your fingertip makes the game easier to learn and use. Last I am running the new system into a Samsung 39" HDTV (low latency model). So IL2 with some mods (mainly HSFX) looks pretty sweet. I used the PVC pipe method and built a dedicated virtual cockpit area to mount the touchscreen and HOTAS stand. I don't plan on becoming a purist but rather just playing for fun. I want to lean how to fly better and to fight. I did ask on a couple other boards which plane was suggested to start with and it was like I was bringing up religion... lol Overall opinions seem to be the 109, Spitfire and the P40 When I get my HOTAS working again and configured I will jump in to them and see which one I take a liking to and then start practicing. I thought you might like to see some of my work in progress so I will post a couple pictures. One is of my cockpit (early stage) running Helios with the Falcon BMS screen I am working on Second one is my latest Helios/UDP Speed screen for IL-2 I am sure I will be posting some questions soon OverDhill Quote
2. Administrators Jabo Posted January 17, 2013 2. Administrators Posted January 17, 2013 Welcome aboard OverDhill! Jabo Quote
1. DDz Quorum FoolTrottel Posted January 17, 2013 1. DDz Quorum Posted January 17, 2013 Welcome ! There's only one plane one needs to master: The IL2. The rest is just silly ... (Oh, except maybe for the Swordfish) Quote
Snacko Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Welcome OverDhill! Very nice setup. Are you using TouchBuddy on that touchscreen with your UDPSpeed by chance? Snacko Quote
OverDhill Posted January 17, 2013 Author Posted January 17, 2013 Ok guys... I decided to get a Saitek X-45 HOTAS set off Ebay. They arrived today and are in excellent condition. So far I don't seem to have the huge deadzone issue that I and other saw with the X-52 Pro. They will be great for now I would like some recommendations as to how you have your HOTAS controls setup for IL-2 I have two eight way hats on the stick and a four way on the throttle. Also the mouse thingie with button on the throttle. Six buttons on the stick and two on the throttle. Also there is a AUX slider switch on the throttle. Last there is two rotary pots on the throttle and of coarse 3 mode settings. I prefer not to have to use the mode setting and try and figure out what is what. The touchscreen will handle a lot of the less common or needed functions. So what functions do I need at my finger tip besided the obvious like fire. OverDhill Quote
1. DDz Quorum FoolTrottel Posted January 17, 2013 1. DDz Quorum Posted January 17, 2013 Sliders and rotaries: Trim: Elevator, Rudder, Aileron. Proppitch Radiator. Main hat switch: use for changing FOV, like zoom, normal, wide ... Quote
Parts Posted January 17, 2013 Posted January 17, 2013 Welcome mate look forward to seeing you about. Salute! Quote
T_O_A_D Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Welcome OverDhill! I don't plan on becoming a purist but rather just playing for fun. I want to lean how to fly better and to fight. LOL it looks like its too late for the disclaimer. I'm curious about your setup, I tested the UDP thing a few years ago, but the gauges lagged behind too much for me to get serious about building a pit for it. So I backed off all the work and hardware to manage it. Also curious about your TV I tried a 39 120 hrz Samsung a month or so ago and I couldn't get it to work well Either, So I dropped back and bought a 27" monitor, and it's just barely acceptable picture for 1080 at my viewing distance, I really wanted my my dash gauges life size, is why I tried a TV. The 240mhz tv are a bit out of my price range, and I doubt they have any better picture either due to the 1080 restriction. Oh I'm using the same gpu for the most part. Mine is GTX660 ti 3g Quote
Mayhem Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Welcome OverDhill, Another Falcon BMS flier. There are a couple of BMS fliers here including myself so we'll have to host some missions soon. That's a great setup you've got there. I'd like to get a touchscreen but the prices are kind of high. I hooked up a 32inch LCD to test it out and it was pretty awesome, except for the fact it was 720p so the clarity wasn't that good. I imagine a 1080p would be have been much better but for now I'm sticking with my 27inch 1920x1200 monitor. I've always heard that networked gauges were a bit laggy, how does your network machine perform in that capacity? Perhaps things have changed a bit. As for HOTAS setups, I'd say whatever make it easier for us to shoot you down in a dogfight. But seriously, nice to have you on board I'm sure you can probably talk a bit of tech with the best of us. Quote
OverDhill Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 Thanks guys for the warm welcome. Mayhem I am a total newbie with Falcon BMS. I have been working on a Helios/MFDE skin and am amazed by how many key binds there are. I am not sure how anyone can play that sim using the keyboard (LOL) and can see the necessity for a good HOTAS setup for all the functions you need at your finger tips. I also own Lockon FC2 and it looks nice and seems to be easier to operate. I figured I would test out a few programs and see which ones I like enough to spend the time learning. I got IL-2 1946 and Lockon Platinum pretty cheap so it seemed like a good decision. I want to have the sim real enough but not over the top to the point that it is more like work than fun to play it. Waiting for my HOTAS has given me time to create these Helios/UDP Speed/MFDE skins for my touchscreen. Speaking of which.... I actually bought that Samsung ELO touchscreen off Ebay as a refurb for under $200. I already had my old game PC to use with it. That PC is pretty fast with a decent graphics card which handles UDP Speed as it is not at all efficient when producing those gauges. In fact it takes over 50% of the processor when it is running. As for the lag, I tested it out by comparing the RMP gauge on the screen to the UDP one and I couldn't see much lag at all. I think the key is having a networked PC powerful enough to run it. Too bad that it was not more like MFD extractor as it runs so well. As for the display. I did a lot of searching online to see what other people were saying about using a HDTV for a display. I was pretty leery myself wondering if the picture would be good enough. Well this model of Samsung seemed like a good choice and happened to be one that was on sale for Black Friday. I have to say that for flight sims it looks pretty dang good. I run it at 1690X1050 and IL-2 with HSFX and Falcon BMS with the HiTex III high rez texture pack looks great to me. So far I am pleased with this setup. The PVC pipe was easy to work with and allowed me to custom design a stand for the touchscreen and HOTAS that fit my needs easily and was inexpensive. As for the HOTAS I am amazed at the lack of quality for sticks costing in the hundreds of dollars. Besides the defective X52 Pro calibration issue I also was having a hard time dealing with the large deadzone. Yes there is a MOD to go in and move the magnets but being under warranty that was not an option. Using it I found myself over-steering and having a difficult time keeping the plane/jet flying straight. When I sent it back I grabbed by old plain jane stick to mess with and wow I could fly again. So I am leaning towards using a CH Products Fighterstick along with an X52 throttle. I really dislike the CH Product throttle. I had one many years ago when they were still non USB and was not impressed with it nearly as much as the X52's throttle. I have read that you can disconnect the X52 stick and just use the throttle alone. Heck the X52 is the same price as the CH Product throttle and you could sell off the stick and save even more. Such a shame about the X52 pro. Between the large dead zone, sloppy center on handle, weird spring forces and the calibration issues even with a powered USB hub it was a major disappointment as it is an ergonomically well designed HOTAS with plenty of bells and whistles. There seems to be a lot of opinions on IL-2 when it comes to planes and MOD packs. I went with HSFX as it seemed to be the one that was most compatible with the current stock version. It looks and sounds pretty nice. Not sure if there are other MODS that would make it look or sound better but for now I think it looks good. I am not so much interested in adding missions at this time as I have not flown any stock ones yet...hahaha As for for my cockpit I am after function and ease of use. I am not after creating a real cockpit in my basement. Sorry for the long winded post.... OverDhill Quote
Tonar Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 Holly crap !! This is like reading a brief ... Welcom to the Pound OD. Quote
T_O_A_D Posted January 18, 2013 Posted January 18, 2013 This was the 39 Inch I tried also a Black Friday deal but I took it back as mentioned earlier in the post. I apparently failed on my TV and Gaming research. I could use a little more detail on yours, Model number and such. I wasn't able to get that high of resolution out of this one, nore this 27 monitor 1920x1080 is all I can get. The monitor was $300 and I still have time to send it back to Newegg, for a refund, so I can get something with more capability. I am not totally happy being stuck at 1080. As you can see my viewing distance is quite close. The 27" does slip further back into the desk another 16" and it helps but it is still a bit grainy for my taste. Unless I take off my glasses but then I can't read anything LOL. You will also notice I'm using a combination of three sticks. X-45, X-52, and Microsoft forcefeedback. I use the MMFB for flying, the X-45 for throttle and its stick and the X-52 are button bays, and added axis. I only payed full price for the X-45 8+ years ago and it was a Christmas present. I paid 12 buck IIRC for the X-52 like new used at a Fleamarket, and 12 also for the MFFB same place. I also have CH pedals also years ago as a Christmas present. If your going cheap on sticks this is the most efficient system for quality and price. The MMFB is a must, for precise reliable control,all the rest can be just about anything you can get cheap, since its only buttons and axis requirements. Quote
OverDhill Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 That looks like the one I have Samsung UN39EH5003 39-Inch 1080p 60Hz LED HDTV I am using an EVGA GTX 660 Superclocked. I am also using two displays using a Tripp Lite B116-002A 2-Port DVI Single Link Video Audio Splitter/Booster so that I can use my Desktop monitor and keyboard for normal use. So the output of the GTX-660 feeds both screens at the same time. My eyes are about 3 feet from the HDTV when I am playing. I am also running IL-2 at [window] width=1680 height=1050 ColourBits=32 I will post a screen shot showing the settings On another note: I have a question. I created a quick mission with a couple of wing men and a couple of enemy planes. Why are my wing men talking in Russian? I am using the HSFX MOD with the Tiger_33 Ultimate Sound MOD V3 for STD mode. Is there a way to get all wingmen to talk in english? OverDhill Quote
1. DDz Quorum FoolTrottel Posted January 18, 2013 1. DDz Quorum Posted January 18, 2013 Is there a way to get all wingmen to talk in english? Change the Army into RAF or USA(F)(MC) like... Make sure 'Choose side'(top right) is set to 'Allies', and use the button (black, circular) to the extreme right of each flight line to change aircraft properties and their 'Air Force'. You can also make loadout changes via that button. Impressive setup you got there! Edit: How can this be, a 1080p monitor, running at 1680x1050 native resolution? 1680x1050 is not 1080p ... Quote
OverDhill Posted January 18, 2013 Author Posted January 18, 2013 I downloaded and installed HyperLobby just to get it ready (not that I am) and I don't have a Forgotten Battles selection as someone's nugget thread suggested but I do have a IL-2 Sturmovik 1946 one. Is this what I am suppose to select? Am I missing something? I installed from a IL2 1946 purchased disk which says it has all of them included. I run 1680X1050 as that is what the 24" desktop monitor's native resolution. It still looks sharp on the 39" and I can read the font quite easily. OverDhill Quote
OverDhill Posted January 19, 2013 Author Posted January 19, 2013 By the way how to get access to chat and the password to Teamspeak? Quote
DD_Arthur Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 By the way how to get access to chat and the password to Teamspeak? Hello John, nice to see you here. I think there is some sort of application process to go through to gain access to our deepest secrets but I'm not quite sure what it is these days. However, I'm pretty sure part of it was to do with having a VERY big screen so you would seem to be o.k. on that front! I'm sure someone more Compus mentis than me will come along shortly and sort you out. Quote
OverDhill Posted January 19, 2013 Author Posted January 19, 2013 Here is the newest screen shot of my Helios/UDP Speed touchscreen virtual cockpit. I think it is getting close to the final layout. Quote
1. DDz Quorum FoolTrottel Posted January 19, 2013 1. DDz Quorum Posted January 19, 2013 I run 1680X1050 as that is what the 24" desktop monitor's native resolution. Thanks for clearing that up, I get it now, you get the same picture on both screens...As for getting access to TS and other stuff, go to this application page, press the 'Apply Now' button, answer some questions, and then...well I'm sure something will be done with that ... Quote
DD_Bongodriver Posted January 19, 2013 Posted January 19, 2013 Nobody metioned sheep yet.........was it all a lie?........was I brought here on false pretences? Anyway....nice to meet you OverDhill. Quote
Mayhem Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 OverDhill, Falcon BMS in not quite as daunting as it might first appear. There are only certain control function needed, the rest are for if you're making a hardcore simpit. I've you've got someone to talk you through it, its not that bad. For coops you can just do taxi/takeoff starts which saves you from the whole startup procedure. I learned how to do a ramp start just to get to know the F16 better and for my own satisfaction. In practice however I never do ramp starts as the nav alignment takes too long. The biggest part is learning the weapons systems but there are some great tutorial videos that make it a lot less work. If you've got a decent HOTAS then you'll be alright. I'm currently using a CH Fighterstick, bought on ebay for $45 practically brand new, an x52 Throttle which yes can be used standalone (without the stick part), a custom button box I built and custom rudder pedals I also built. The Microsoft FFB 2 is a great stick and can be had relatively cheaply. Toad, Where you using an HDMI or DIV cable to hook up that TV you had? I didn't have any trouble getting mine to detect properly. Also, I don't seem to have any graininess on my 27inch monitor at 1920x1200. Though going from a CRT to a LCD does take some getting used to. OverDhill, Don't know if you're keen on sharing that skin once you're done but I know someone would like to have it. I don't know how much data is streaming to the networked PC but perhaps gigabit Ethernet would help performance. May just be poorly optimized and require beefy hardware. Are you connected to the gauge PC at 100Mbit or 1000Mbit? Quote
T_O_A_D Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Mayhem I used HDMI cable, the TV IIRC didn't have a DVI connector it had a VGA Also the 27" I have is 1080 not 1200. What was the model you have again. I sent in for a return RMA on this one, and as soon as I get home its going back, for being too graininy and displaying the sky blues in odd shades and rings around the sun. Quote
Mayhem Posted January 20, 2013 Posted January 20, 2013 Mine, well I don't think Newegg carries the exact model any more. Briefly looking at Newegg now, it seems they might have or be in the process of phasing out 1920x1200 in favor of 1920x1080, I just don't see any here in the 27in department. Every thing is 16:9 aspect ratio as opposed to 16:10. I'll keep looking. EDIT: Hum, interesting. I'm reading that it is perhaps due to 1920x1080 16:9 at 120Hz approaching bandwidth limit for dual link DVI. Sound like 1920x1200 16:10 at 120Hz is too much for the interface to handle and since everything is leaning towards 120Hz these days it seems I think 16:10 may be to impractical and expensive to produce in the lower end display market. That really sux actually. My monitor is 60Hz so no fancy 3D and have the occasional issue with games having to be tweaked to run smoothly with v-sync on like BF3 for instance. If I the v-sync off I get bad tearing in the graphics. Adaptive v-sync is supposed to fix this, essentially turning off v-sync until the fps hit 60. When the fps hit 60 the v-sync kicks in to cap it. Doesn't quite work as advertised though, in some games it reduces tearing but doesn't totally eliminate it. The other solution is to have a 120Hz monitor but I assume if you're fps hit 120 with vsync off you'll still get tearing but perhaps this isn't the case. I haven't researched 120Hz too much to see what the populous is saying about their experiences. I'll tell you one thing those. In this age of mega corner cutting, we're seeing a lot of half backed stuff that doesn't exactly work like it's supposed to if you ask me. Quote
OverDhill Posted January 20, 2013 Author Posted January 20, 2013 I will be happy to share my IL-2 skin when I get it finished. I have been watching some video tutorials for BMS. It will get better once I get a decent HOTAS setup. One of the areas I am struggling with is the radar. I understand RWS and TWS somewhat but getting them to work is another matter. In fact there are times when I think my MFD is possessed as it gets into a mode that I just can't seem to get back to RWS or TWS. Also when you use the cursor to move over to the top of the target do you need to press a key to lock it on? So many times people call things different names than what the keybind file calls it making it hard to figure it all out. For now I have been concentrating on IL-2 and getting the Helios skin done. I found myself getting to thinned out trying to concentrate on 2-3 sims at the same time. As for the Samsung UN39EH5003 set I am very happy with the way it looks. One thing I did was to go in the Nvidia settings using NvidiaInspector and mess with the AA settings for the game. That helped a lot if you have a GTX card powerful enough. OverDhill Quote
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