My Latest Acquisition (This Topic Includes Talk Of Guns, If You Don't Like Guns Please Don't Open This Topic)

[Mayhem]

http://www.winchesterguns.com/products/catalog/detail.asp?family=021c&mid=512252

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ-UD9NlhXQ

[Perfesser]

I can hardly fault you for your buy because I bought a Win 1300 myself for turkey hunting.

Then you find it's almost impossible to get aftermarket stuff and used parts because they're so rare. Been looking for a second hand short barrel for years.

Remington and Mossberg seem to have the aftermarket parts market to themselves.

[Mayhem]

I herd mention that the 1300 barrels are compatible with the sxp. I'd know if that is true or not but if your looking for a short one, the sxp barrel might work for you. Winchester is claiming this sxp is the world's fastest pump. It has a rotating bolt, chrome lined barrel and chamber. The shotgun basically half cocks its self after firing, you can see this in the vid. The pump feels way more solid then a Mossberg or Remington. If you get a chance to get your mits on one at the gun store, check it out, it feels so good.

[Perfesser]

This is Canada. The aftermarket is so limited here by population and it's impossible to ship anything gun related across the border(thanks idiot regulators). Forget any sights, scopes, barrels, stocks, knives. Flashlights ok unless "weapon" is in the description. But I do keep looking for the right deal.

We have some advantages but not many. We can still get com-block exports - the forged M1A (M-14) stuff is still coming in but flying off the shelves as fast as it gets here.

We still have a decent ammo market but that's drying up fast too.

Right now looking for a shotgun that won't scare off my tiny wife. I'm starting her off with a Mossberg 510 mini.

[Mayhem]

I totally messed up. I was on the Gander Mountain website the other day and they had DMPS MOE AR15s for $1200 bucks. I hesitated to buy one, and a couple hours later completely sold out. Went to the store to buy my shotty and asked about the ARs, they said they had hear of 8 mounth waiting lists at the gun shops. I felt so shitty I didn't get one when I had the chance. I could have turned around and sold it, probably getting my shotty for free.

http://www.dpmsinc.c...OR_ep_91-1.html

Though given a choice, I'd rather have the Sig Sauer.

http://www.sigsauer....hanced-fde.aspx

[BadAim]

One of my co-students at the Shotgun course I took this summer had a 20 year old defender, wooden furniture and all. I didn't shoot it but handled it a bit, and what a joy after handling my 590 all day, it was so light! I suspect though that he would rather have had my 590 when the time came for firing slugs.

I am so glad that I got my AR before the shit hit the fan! My buddy just spent $1700 on a rifle that would have cost $800 a few months ago.

[T_O_A_D]

I've got NWTF version of the 1300 12 gauge chambered 3". I've owned it for years, Then one day a Bloke at work needed 200 clams and ask if I'd buy his Mossberg 835 12guage chambered 3 1/2" I emptied my wallet.

The first time I shot a Turkey with my 1300 its action flew right through the process so quick I stood up trying to rack it for the second shot if needed thinking it had jammed. But Once pushed the release button I slid out a live round. I had to retrain myself from the 870 Remington and Ithica of my fathers that I used while growing up. Its a very fast Pump once you learn it.

Also the main reason to drop in a chambered round first isn't so much to get the extra shot, its to make sure you can still shoot at the enemy as they come over the wall at you while your reloading. I wish FPS game would allow that, but so far the ones I've played make sit there vulnerable filling the tube.

[BadAim]

Best practice is to top off the tube every chance you get........ Of course you guys know that.

[Streak]

Best practice is to top off the tube every chance you get........ Of course you guys know that.

Pfff. I just slap another mag into the saiga12.

Though I admit I really do love the old pump 16ga too.

I'm still trying to decide which one to take turkey hunting this year.

[Kira]

Looks nice... which is about all I can say. I'm quickly learning that my knowledge of firearms is pathetically limited. My boss recently offered the use of his weapons any time for target practice, just that I buy my ammo (duh!) and help clean the weapons afterwards. Went out on the interwebs today to get some idea of what to get - and realized that I have no clue what's best for the situation. FMJ? JHP? Amount of propellent? What other info is there? Needless to say, I've got me some learnin' to do! I'm none too surprised to hear that the ARs disappeared so quickly. Everywhere I've been has stated that what's in stock is going fast due to high demand, and, for once, I believe them. Local gun shop did a segment right before Christmas on the local news talking about how fast they were turning things and how busy they were.

[Mayhem]

Well, I can only hope that when this all dies down, and it will, there will be lots of people trying to get rid of all these guns and drive the prices way down. Kind of like the housing bubble we had here in the states. Once demand dies down, cause it surely can't stay at this pace, and the manufacturing catches, up you might be able to pick up a sweet deal or two. From what I've seen, the manufacturers aren't jacking their prices up as much as the people trying to flip and make a profit off what they just paid retail for.

Here in NC, I went to the gun shop and they had and AR, AK and SKS in stock. The prices weren't outrageous, not much different then manufacturer suggested prices. Once thing I have noticed is people trying to sell used guns for new retail price. Other people just listing there AR rifles for ridiculous markups thinking that people are actually that desperate, only to find out a million other people are doing the same thing. I've found some very reasonable prices in the given climate and I love it cause all these jack holes that think they are going to cash is are having to drop their prices to get there guns sold. Just keep flooding the market while I sit back and wait for the bottom to drop out. I could be wrong but that is what I predict will happen.

They just passed a 15 round mag cap and universal background checks in Colorado so hopefully that will quite them down a bit and we won't get the same BS on the federal level. They will probably squash most of the regulations this go around to get some stronger border regulation past.

Hey did any see Biden saying all anyone needs is a double barrel shotgun, and how he told his wife just stepping out onto the porch and firing 2 shots in the air would chase off any threat? I have to laugh cause the guy has a contingent of heavily armed body guards around himself and his family at all times. The other thing is how come no one ever get to ask any of these guys about the ability to fight tyranny and an oppressive government? They must be screening everyone that gets close enough to interview or ask them anything. They probably threaten to lock them up where no one will ever find them if they don't stick to the script.

I'm not trying to get political here, but its a little hard to understand why a class of weapon (rifles), that is responsible for less then a faction of 1 percent of deaths per year, is so villainized by the acts of 1 or 2 nuts every so often, it's worth screwing 315 million citizens out of their constitutional rights, whether they chose to exercise them or not.

Oh and there is no such thing as a gun show loophole. Last time I went to a gun show all dealers requires a background check. Not to mention guns purchase a gun shows are responsible for about the least amount of deaths statistically. People seem to think all these criminals are getting guns from gun shows, well it just isn't true.

Check this out.

https://www.youtube....p?v=fGaDAThOHhA

Dropping the mic and walking away......

[Kira]

"Hey did any see Biden saying all anyone needs is a double barrel shotgun, and how he told his wife just stepping out onto the porch and firing 2 shots in the air would chase off any threat? I have to laugh cause the guy has a contingent of heavily armed body guards around himself and his family at all times. The other thing is how come no one ever get to ask any of these guys about the ability to fight tyranny and an oppressive government? They must be screening everyone that gets close enough to interview or ask them anything. They probably threaten to lock them up where no one will ever find them if they don't stick to the script."

I walked in the door tonight coming home from work and that was on. For a second, I was royally ashamed to be from the same state as Biden, but then I realized a truth: He's a politician and by default (although particularly so as he is a high placed one), he lives in a bubble, with almost zero idea of reality for the rest of us, due to his skewed perception thereof.

Why that single class? Well, they're scary, would be my answer. Same reason you don't see Delta's little black and bigger black helicopters practicing in U.S. cities. It scares people.

I'm not so sure that I agree with you on the "it'll all go away with time" viewpoint. I've had people tell me that they're fully convinced that there's no point in getting an AR-15 or AK-47 type rifle at all anymore, as the day is fast approaching when the government will tell you that you're no longer allowed to have such weapons. That and I've seen the knee jerk reactions first hand by lawmakers and believe that once a law is on the books, it's not going to get repealed any time soon.

As for constitutional rights, I'll paraphrase George Carlin's skit called "You have no rights" in which he denotes several major problems with the idea of "divine given rights" (I'll call them), and at the end of the skit points out. "Still believe your precious "rights" (really privileges)? Look up "Japanese Americans 1942" and you'll find out all about your precious f****** rights."

[Mayhem]

We do have rights, but only the ones you're willing to stand up for, or possibly die for. It might come down to dying a free man or living a slave. As far as gun laws I think it should be left up to individual states to decide, leave the fed out of it. What's good for people in NY isn't the same as what's good for people in Texas, Nevada or North Carolina for that matter.

Colorado passed a 15 round magazine limit. It's not like it would make any difference in a mass shooting, but if enough of these small victories are had by people who insist on enslaving themselves and everyone around them, then in time they will have accomplished their goal and we'll be no different then China. This way, when China comes to repossess our country for all the unpaid loans, the Government can just hand over the keys with no resistance from the populous whatsoever. I'm sorry but I don't want to live in that kind of society and if hanging on to our guns in the only thing that will keep that from happening, and it is, at the expense of the occasional nut bag freaking out, then so be it. The fact of the matter is I think you'd have a lot less people going postal if the Government, and a lot of other people in the US, started treating people like human being a bit more.

The world is a cut throat place, and unless you keep your guard up, you'll soon find yourself hornswoggled, however you must not forget who your REAL enemies are. A house divided cannot stand. Rome was around a hell of a lot longer then the US and it fell apart from within. While we're all over here bickering and fighting with one another, our enemies are plotting our demise. I'm sure some people will scoff at that, but just remember that when the bloodshed starts, you've got it on your hands too. You know the China IS a Utopian society, and any Chinese citizen that says it isn't, might find them selves quickly escorted off to a prison.

I'll say this, my wife feels a bit better having a pump shotgun around in case of a break in. Hopefully if someone hears that pump sound, they'll turn tail and run without the need to shoot them.

[Mayhem]

I'm not a gun nut or anything, but I couldn't resist when I found one of these at Gander Mountain for $799.

http://ruger.com/pro...heets/5846.html

That will be it for me for a long time. I'm good now.

[BadAim]

This would be about my response to "Uncle Joe".

 

[Mayhem]

Brilliant!

 

Bye the way, what do you think of that Mini 14? Not bad huh?

[BadAim]

Yeah, great deal. I like the '14, it's very robust and well built. My only complaints are the AK style "tip in" magazines (not great for fast reloads) and the excessive noise compared to say an AR, but that's really nitpicking. Ruger knows how to build a quality product at a great price!  

[Mayhem]

Well, given an extremely basic AR would cost you about $1100 right now if you can even find one the mini was a steel at $799 especially for the Tactical version which is normally around $1k. I was really looking for the more 'ranch' style version but a brand new mini of any flavor is kind of hard to come by these days. The ranch version would be more ideal for the hunting I'll be doing but the Tactical will look pretty kool at the range. When I first picked up the tactical version at the store I just fell in love with it though. The pistol grip and adjustable folding stock were fantastic. This one also came with a flash suppressor which I've seen missing on some tactical. The other thing was I'd never seen the rear sight on this on any tactical before. Usually they have the M1 Garand  style circle with the peep hole. If I remember correctly, this one had more of a post style rear site. The other nice thing is with the tactical rails, I can easily add a red dot or holo sight, tactical flashlight attachment or forward folding grip which I will probably be doing in the near future. Going to have about 5 x 20rd and 3 x 30rd mags I've found around for a decent price given the market today. Might look into getting a couple more before they are banned.

 

Here are the various models though I'm sure you've seen these BA.

[BadAim]

Yeah, I certainly get the price differential, and if I hadn't gotten my Stag like minutes before the shit hit the fan, I'd be in the market for another Ruger. I had the basic ranch rifle and I loved it, If I actually lived on a ranch I could think of nothing better to have in my saddle holster. I still have my 10/22, and my wife's SP101. Like I said, Ruger knows how to build 'em, and they're local boys. (I personally would recommend that they pack up and head for a better "climate")

[DD_Arthur]

Tell me more about the Ranch rifle.  It looks gorgeous.  Is it a semi-auto too or bolt action?  I can't see a bolt but I can't see a magazine either.

 

Wait a minute, what am I talking about?  I'm a Brit!

[BadAim]

The ranch rifle is the same as the others, it's just shown with a flat bottom magazine, I believe it's five rounds. It's a self loader, that uses a gas piston system similar to the M1/M14 (hence the name "Mini14")

[Kira]

Found this in my wanderings, it has some very interesting things to say given that it's a mini-14 website...

 

http://rugermini14.net/

 

Personally, I agree with the analysis.  Why limit yourself if you've got the extra to go with a mil-spec AR?

 

You make an interesting statement there about "Looking into getting something else before they get banned" after your comment about standing up for your rights several posts before.  That's why I'm rather leery of this whole idea that law abiding gun owners won't hand in their weapons when told to do so.  They are, after all, law abiding citizens, and not doing so would make them something they fundamentally aren't.  Of course, what was one of the first things Hitler did after invading a country?  Yep, take away their weapons.  Sigh.  I think I'll leave this topic alone now...

[B16Enk]

Found this in my wanderings, it has some very interesting things to say given that it's a mini-14 website...

 

http://rugermini14.net/

 

Personally, I agree with the analysis.  Why limit yourself if you've got the extra to go with a mil-spec AR?

 

You make an interesting statement there about "Looking into getting something else before they get banned" after your comment about standing up for your rights several posts before.  That's why I'm rather leery of this whole idea that law abiding gun owners won't hand in their weapons when told to do so.  They are, after all, law abiding citizens, and not doing so would make them something they fundamentally aren't.  Of course, what was one of the first things Hitler did after invading a country?  Yep, take away their weapons.  Sigh.  I think I'll leave this topic alone now...

Leaving the topic alone..

 

Not a bad idea, this topic is straying into politics and likely to end in tears.

[T_O_A_D]

Well, given an extremely basic AR would cost you about $1100 right now if you can even find one the mini was a steel at $799 especially for the Tactical version which is normally around $1k. I was really looking for the more 'ranch' style version but a brand new mini of any flavor is kind of hard to come by these days. The ranch version would be more ideal for the hunting I'll be doing but the Tactical will look pretty kool at the range. When I first picked up the tactical version at the store I just fell in love with it though. The pistol grip and adjustable folding stock were fantastic. This one also came with a flash suppressor which I've seen missing on some tactical. The other thing was I'd never seen the rear sight on this on any tactical before. Usually they have the M1 Garand  style circle with the peep hole. If I remember correctly, this one had more of a post style rear site. The other nice thing is with the tactical rails, I can easily add a red dot or holo sight, tactical flashlight attachment or forward folding grip which I will probably be doing in the near future. Going to have about 5 x 20rd and 3 x 30rd mags I've found around for a decent price given the market today. Might look into getting a couple more before they are banned.

 

Here are the various models though I'm sure you've seen these BA.

I like the mini thirty, but prefer the target stainless steel myself, but the Ranch beconds for a time when it was acceptable to shoot Nazi's and and Japs LOL

 

Ahh think I'll go fore up Call of Duty thanks. ;-)

[Mayhem]

Well, maybe I can find someone to trade me my tactical stock for a, well, stock stock, he he. Ideally, the Mini 30 would have been my first preference. The 7.62 would have basically made it an AK. Those rounds are a bit easier to come by too. Has anyone seen these new M14 being produced? A bit expensive, but totally awesome.