Gothkrieger Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Thinking of alternatives to my X45 Hotas. The stick is starting to get a little sloppy in the center position. Now I think you guys seem to like the Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 USB Joystick, is this the correct model? How is the stick accuracy? If you have to Alt-Tab out of the sim do you lose the force feedback function, I am sure somebody told me that, think it was Toad. Any comment or tips will be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairgowrie Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Yes, it is a great stick. Most of us turn off the force feedback feature. It has a strong self centering spring. Leaving it on can make shooting awkward. The stick bounces all over the place when you use cannon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothkrieger Posted April 29, 2011 Author Share Posted April 29, 2011 Yes, it is a great stick. Most of us turn off the force feedback feature. It has a strong self centering spring. Leaving it on can make shooting awkward. The stick bounces all over the place when you use cannon. I thought that was the reason to get the stick, to be able to feel a stall coming on. I thought the gun shake could be turned off allowing the stick only to give you feedback about flight conditions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairgowrie Posted April 29, 2011 Share Posted April 29, 2011 Yes, it is a great stick. Most of us turn off the force feedback feature. It has a strong self centering spring. Leaving it on can make shooting awkward. The stick bounces all over the place when you use cannon. I thought that was the reason to get the stick, to be able to feel a stall coming on. I thought the gun shake could be turned off allowing the stick only to give you feedback about flight conditions. That's true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2. Administrators Jabo Posted April 29, 2011 2. Administrators Share Posted April 29, 2011 I bought one this afternoon off fleabay, I also have an old stick to butcher for a button bay and the X52 joystick will be relegated to the spares shelf just in case. Jabo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothkrieger Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 I bought one this afternoon off fleabay, I also have an old stick to butcher for a button bay and the X52 joystick will be relegated to the spares shelf just in case. Jabo What are you doing for a throttle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairgowrie Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 CH ProThrottle works well with a MSFFB 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2. Administrators fruitbat Posted April 30, 2011 2. Administrators Share Posted April 30, 2011 use your x45 throttle. i use a ffb2 as my stick, with my x52. use the x52 throttle as my throttle, and the x52 stick as a button bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum B16Enk Posted April 30, 2011 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted April 30, 2011 +1 on the MSFFB2 and CH Throttle combo. There are FFB files you can replace to tone down gun and cannon, this leaves feedback just as you want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2. Administrators Jabo Posted April 30, 2011 2. Administrators Share Posted April 30, 2011 I think I'm going to follow fb's lead, although I have an old joystick to butcher for the button bay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jediteo Posted April 30, 2011 Share Posted April 30, 2011 +1 on X52 as throttle and button bay and MSFFB2 as stick. Works really well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2. Administrators Jabo Posted April 30, 2011 2. Administrators Share Posted April 30, 2011 Also going to build a panel with switches for magnetos etc once I can work the circuitry out Jabo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothkrieger Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 Also going to build a panel with switches for magnetos etc once I can work the circuitry out Jabo Sounds like it will be a great setup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothkrieger Posted April 30, 2011 Author Share Posted April 30, 2011 So it sounds like I should pickup a ffb2. I hope it will not be too complicated to reduce effect on stick from firing cannon & guns. There are rebuilt ones on Ebay for $156.00 plus shipping (one year warranty) It’s what I would have to pay if I don’t want to wait for something else and take my chance that its not worn out. Also will it be difficult to get the sim to recognize the ffb2 as the primary stick so I can fiddle with settings if I chose to? If I am not mistaken, there is a throttle on base of stick, can this be used for something other than throttle? I would still have my X45 stick hooked up, will I have to load software for both sticks (so I will have 2 programs running in regards to joysticks), many problems with that? Also, what about losing force feedback it I Alt – Tab out of sim? Am I recalling that right? If so is there any way of restoring the ffb afterwards or is it just lost for that session unless I re-launch the sim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2. Administrators Jabo Posted May 1, 2011 2. Administrators Share Posted May 1, 2011 As far as I know m8, there's no problem with having more than 1 stick installed in Windows. You just need to ensure that the axes in-game are mapped to the correct controller. As I'm also going to be using the throttle component of my X52, I intend to map the throttle slider on the MSFFB to a separate control (probably pitch trim) after all, the computer and game have no awareness that this input is 'supposed' to be the throttle, so you could map it to whatever you like. My current thinking having done a little research is to use a BU0836A joystick controller board and run the following on an external panel. Magnetos x8 - (Thinking ahead to 4 engines!) - Throw Switches Fuel Cocks x4 - (Ditto) - 3 posn Rotary Switches Nav, Landing and Cockpit lights plus Gunsight Illumination - Switches Pitch, Roll and Yaw Trim on sliders (Free single rtation pots) First step will probably be a proof of concept just for the lighting (I know, I'm a coward - lol) Jabo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T_O_A_D Posted May 1, 2011 Share Posted May 1, 2011 Buy a MSFFB2 and save your money and keep using your X-45 throttle, and turn the stick into a button bay. Been doing it for over 7 years this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum B16Enk Posted May 2, 2011 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted May 2, 2011 FFB loss only lasts, in my experience, until you respawn. Not so bad in a DF but in a Co-Op a pain. So don't alt-tab unless you have died/landed. Replacing the FFB files is dead easy, once you have the files, as it is simply a case of copying the files over the old ones. I have attached 2 zip files containing (if my memory serves me well - but I can't remember the last time it did) modified ffe files. Backup the contents of the ForceFeedback directory in your install, and extract the contents of either zip to that directory. I think they are two variations on tuning, so experimentation is in order And yes, I should have put these in the vault but want to be a hypocrite today ForceFeedback.zip ForceFeedback2.zip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothkrieger Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 FFB loss only lasts, in my experience, until you respawn. Not so bad in a DF but in a Co-Op a pain. So don't alt-tab unless you have died/landed. Replacing the FFB files is dead easy, once you have the files, as it is simply a case of copying the files over the old ones. I have attached 2 zip files containing (if my memory serves me well - but I can't remember the last time it did) modified ffe files. Backup the contents of the ForceFeedback directory in your install, and extract the contents of either zip to that directory. I think they are two variations on tuning, so experimentation is in order And yes, I should have put these in the vault but want to be a hypocrite today Thank you for the files, I have downloaded them as well as your instructions and will start with them when I can get a stick, hopefully soon! So if I am still using my X45 setup for throttle and button bay I will have to load software for both sticks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum B16Enk Posted May 2, 2011 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted May 2, 2011 No software for MSFFB2 with Win7. So no macros for it, but you can assign buttons to actions. There is commercial software that can program both though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2. Administrators fruitbat Posted May 2, 2011 2. Administrators Share Posted May 2, 2011 what OS are you on, MSFFB software doesn't work past XP, so you just use the FFB on the windows drivers. Works fine for the stick though, you just can't do any fancy reprogramming of the joystick, ie 'button 4' = 'alt x' etc.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothkrieger Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 what OS are you on, MSFFB software doesn't work past XP, so you just use the FFB on the windows drivers. Works fine for the stick though, you just can't do any fancy reprogramming of the joystick, ie 'button 4' = 'alt x' etc.... OK, I have XP What do you mean by "so you just use the FFB on the windows drivers" Is this to say that windows has FFB drivers and I don't use the ones that come on the disk? Is this only for Windows above XP? "you just can't do any fancy reprogramming of the joystick" this comment is in regards to anything higher that XP, yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romoni Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 FFB loss only lasts, in my experience, until you respawn. I have attached 2 zip files containing (if my memory serves me well - but I can't remember the last time it did) modified ffe files. Backup the contents of the ForceFeedback directory in your install, and extract the contents of either zip to that directory. I think they are two variations on tuning, so experimentation is in order And yes, I should have put these in the vault but want to be a hypocrite today Hello! I tryed to downlöad those 2 files but: [#10171] You do not have permission to view this attachment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairgowrie Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 That's correct . You have to be a member of the Danger Dogz, Romoni. If you want to join us, just tell us a little bit about yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
romoni Posted May 14, 2011 Share Posted May 14, 2011 That's correct . You have to be a member of the Danger Dogz, Romoni. If you want to join us, just tell us a little bit about yourself. Ahaa - well... About what I should be to tell You and where? Regards Rolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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