1. DDz Quorum Friar Posted March 2, 2021 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 2, 2021 Salute As we approach the end of our "Road to Arnhem" mission pack, my thoughts are starting to turn to "what next"? Does anyone have any ideas for a series of missions they would like to see used for a Saturday night? Another Sherman series, a change to German or another T34 series? Or even perhaps a fictional scenario that we could build on? Your thoughts and ideas would be welcome (If we all said "I don't care what we do", we may end up with nothing.) Cheers Friar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum FoolTrottel Posted March 2, 2021 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 2, 2021 What if the Road to Arnhem does not end there? Could go North, West or East. Might result into "too much of the same" though Battle for the Schelde estuary? 1505-1506 Ardennes, from the German perspective? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfesser Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 The Battle of the Bulge, also known as the Ardennes Counteroffensive, was a major German offensive campaign on the Western Front during World War II, and took place from 16 December 1944 to 25 January 1945. It was launched through the densely forested Ardennes region in Belgium and Luxembourg towards the end of the war in Europe. The offensive was intended to stop Allied use of the Belgian port of Antwerp and to split the Allied lines, allowing the Germans to encircle and destroy four Allied armies and force the Western Allies to negotiate a peace treaty in the Axis powers' favor. The Germans achieved a total surprise attack on the morning of 16 December 1944, due to a combination of Allied overconfidence, preoccupation with Allied offensive plans, and poor aerial reconnaissance due to bad weather. American forces bore the brunt of the attack and incurred their highest casualties of any operation during the war. The battle also severely depleted Germany's armored forces, and they were largely unable to replace them. German personnel and, later, Luftwaffe aircraft (in the concluding stages of the engagement) also sustained heavy losses. The Germans had attacked a weakly defended section of the Allied line, taking advantage of heavily overcast weather conditions that grounded the Allies' overwhelmingly superior air forces. Fierce resistance on the northern shoulder of the offensive, around Elsenborn Ridge, and in the south, around Bastogne, blocked German access to key roads to the northwest and west that they counted on for success. Columns of armor and infantry that were supposed to advance along parallel routes found themselves on the same roads. This, and terrain that favored the defenders, threw the German advance behind schedule and allowed the Allies to reinforce the thinly placed troops. The farthest west the offensive reached was the village of Foy-Nôtre-Dame, south east of Dinant, being stopped by the U.S. 2nd Armored Division on 24 December 1944.[15][16][17] Improved weather conditions from around 24 December permitted air attacks on German forces and supply lines, which sealed the failure of the offensive. On 26 December the lead element of Patton's U.S. Third Army reached Bastogne from the south, ending the siege. Although the offensive was effectively broken by 27 December, when the trapped units of 2nd Panzer Division made two break-out attempts with only partial success, the battle continued for another month before the front line was effectively restored to its position prior to the attack. In the wake of the defeat, many experienced German units were left severely depleted of men and equipment, as survivors retreated to the defenses of the Siegfried Line. The Germans' initial attack involved 410,000 men; just over 1,400 tanks, tank destroyers, and assault guns; 2,600 artillery pieces; 1,600 anti-tank guns; and over 1,000 combat aircraft, as well as large numbers of other armored fighting vehicles (AFVs).[4] These were reinforced a couple of weeks later, bringing the offensive's total strength to around 450,000 troops, and 1,500 tanks and assault guns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfesser Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 Bastone on the game map only has a single road going in.... not the 5 think it should have .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parts Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 From a fictional perspective we could run a well defended search and destroy the airfields campaign. Also any town, well held by forces unknown, could be sited as a through route to a fictional destination. We could be ordered to run a convoy escort mission, ordered to take and defend a town from counter attack (at least whilst we wait for counter attack all the comfort breaks can take place) The list is endless Col really. Factual and historic are much nicer but as long as there are some well hidden nme who make our lives hell I will, for one, still enjoy tanking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum Painless Posted March 7, 2021 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 7, 2021 Big fan of trying to change ze course of ze vor mit der got straffe und assault und battery of ze Allies sroo ze Belgien wald. Let’s battle for our bulge and of course the Vaterland ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum Friar Posted March 7, 2021 Author 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 7, 2021 If I were to embark on the "Battle of the Bulge" (and it would be quite an undertaking) do we want to be Allied, German or split up and be supported by AI on both sides? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum Painless Posted March 7, 2021 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 7, 2021 Hmmm, let’s think, more Sherman’s or Panthers..... German please sir. 😉🤗 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfesser Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Advance through the forest against unsuspecting units.... get in their rear and cause mayhem... yep. German Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum Friar Posted March 8, 2021 Author 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 8, 2021 Been thinking about this and have done a little bit of googling / research and... Ok, "Battle of The Bulge" it is...! We will play it from the German side. But I am going to need some help / advice if we are to do this properly (or as properly as possible), or at least give the actual events a slight nod. @Parts, @Perfesser Would you two be willing to set up a call with me so we can discuss the scenario and what is achievable on the map with the units we have available? @Sid - You may need to dust off your skinning powder again if that is ok? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum Sid Posted March 8, 2021 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 8, 2021 Checked the paint pots and they are ok to go..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parts Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Friar said: Been thinking about this and have done a little bit of googling / research and... Ok, "Battle of The Bulge" it is...! We will play it from the German side. But I am going to need some help / advice if we are to do this properly (or as properly as possible), or at least give the actual events a slight nod. @Parts, @Perfesser Would you two be willing to set up a call with me so we can discuss the scenario and what is achievable on the map with the units we have available? @Sid - You may need to dust off your skinning powder again if that is ok? Of course Col Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parts Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 https://www.loc.gov/collections/world-war-ii-maps-military-situation-maps-from-1944-to-1945/articles-and-essays/the-battle-of-the-bulge/interactive-timeline/ I have stuck this up as it gives a good way of viewing the progress (or not!) of the campaign around the Ardennes 1 hour ago, Friar said: Been thinking about this and have done a little bit of googling / research and... Ok, "Battle of The Bulge" it is...! We will play it from the German side. But I am going to need some help / advice if we are to do this properly (or as properly as possible), or at least give the actual events a slight nod. @Parts, @Perfesser Would you two be willing to set up a call with me so we can discuss the scenario and what is achievable on the map with the units we have available? @Sid - You may need to dust off your skinning powder again if that is ok? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1. DDz Quorum Friar Posted March 8, 2021 Author 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 8, 2021 Trouble is a lot of the actual towns and roads are missing from the in game map, below is what we have to work with for the area Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum FoolTrottel Posted March 8, 2021 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 8, 2021 Do we have a hilly area with roads and towns somewhere else on the map? hm... not likely me thinks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum Friar Posted March 8, 2021 Author 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 8, 2021 I am thinking a German advance from East to West towards Bastogne? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfesser Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 The road network isn't nearly what it should be but that might not be so bad. The mission is the initial advance at the start of the battle. First a section of front line assets to overcome and then a race into the rear areas with plenty of supply and command stuff to disrupt and blow up. Stiffening resistance farther on, blown bridges.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum Friar Posted March 8, 2021 Author 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 8, 2021 I will start a PM thread, don't want to give away to much Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum Friar Posted March 10, 2021 Author 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 10, 2021 Just found this... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum Friar Posted March 10, 2021 Author 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted March 10, 2021 Another piece of "research"... This one more factual and documentary 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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