Blairgowrie Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Now I remember who you are Falconise. You flew with us a few times back in the "olden" days then dropped out of sight. I believe you build pc's for a living right? Anyway good to hear from you again. Now if we can just get you flying again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconise Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 I have to say I really enjoy reading your stuff Falconise. You definitely know what you are up to although I suspect you are a few steps ahead of me, especially on the ram. Do you belong to a squad? For some reason I relate you to the Fightin' Irish. LOL, thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconise Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 And he can type!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconise Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Now I remember who you are Falconise. You flew with us a few times back in the "olden" days then dropped out of sight. I believe you build pc's for a living right? Anyway good to hear from you again. Now if we can just get you flying again. Yes, thats me! I have to do some work on my main rig, sold a vid card and dvd in it and have to setup new. But then out comes the IL2 disk and try to refresh myself of all the keys. Lol, last time I tried to fly, I couldn't get off the ground. The tourqe was getting me. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconise Posted August 30, 2008 Share Posted August 30, 2008 Thought of this analogy yesterday. If a computer were a piston engine... The cpu speed is how fast the car is going. The ram speed is what gear the car is in. At a constant speed of 2.66GHz... Ram at DDR2-667 is lugging along with great gas milage. Ram at DDR2-800 has just come out of overdrive to pass. Ram at DDR2-1066 has just kicked into second gear to pass on a hill. Ram at DDR2-1200 is winding out first gear in a street drag race! Each gear can maintain a particular speed, but each progressively faster RPM has more power at it's disposal and burns more gas. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stingray Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 FYI this card looks promising for those looking to get the most bang for the buck http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI ... ainstream/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DD_Merdog Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 ~S~ All Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconise Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 FYI this card looks promising for those looking to get the most bang for the buck http://www.hothardware.com/Articles/ATI ... ainstream/ That card might be a little weak for gaming. There are some greatdeals on the GeForce 8800GT, and 9800GTX+ Recently saw the 8800GT for $100, and the 9800GTX+ for $200. Both cards have plenty of horsepower to run games at high settings and high FPS. These cards have been reduced in price because of the Radeon 4870's and 4850's being more powerful in their price range. It sort of put the 8800 and 9800 in limbo (used to be $200 and $300 respecitvely). The 4870 is a little pricey, but the 4850's are also a good deal these days. I tend to stay away from ATI/Radeons because they do not offer lifetime warrantys line nVidia cards from eVGA and XFX do. Also, I do not like the ATI control panel, takes way too long to launch and requires Microsoft Netframework to be installed first, which means after a fresh install you need to do all your patching without the vid driver installed! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Falcon Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Salute Falconise I'm desktop technician and we recently started to build some autocad customised PC's, I decided to get nvidia quadro for them nut I've heard from many sources ATI is only choice now. What would you suggest. I personally don't like ATI ... By the way I really enjoyed this topic, I didnt know there is so many geeks here Thank you Falconise your posts are very informative ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonar Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 This is a great thread I am going to have a great PC in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonar Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 Actually, I am unable to download the Spreadsheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconise Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Salute Falconise I'm desktop technician and we recently started to build some autocad customised PC's, I decided to get nvidia quadro for them nut I've heard from many sources ATI is only choice now. What would you suggest. I personally don't like ATI ... By the way I really enjoyed this topic, I didnt know there is so many geeks here Thank you Falconise your posts are very informative ... TYVM Falcon! It's nice to see a colleague of sorts here! Whether nVidia Quadro or AMD/ATI FireGL is the better choice, really boils down to which price range you are looking at. Although I have no personal experience with the two lines, I read a very good article comparing them all (CPU Magazine July 08 -- Pro Graphic Battle Royale). The only two cards to score the highest of the lot (4.5 of 5 stars) were the nVidia Quadro FX 3700 and AMD FireGL V7700. The two cards performed similarly, but seems to me the Quadro edged out the FireGL in most tests. The biggest difference between the two is the price: Quadro FX 3700 at $1599 and the FireGL V7700 at $1099. That's a $500 (30%) difference for roughly the same performance. This adds up real fast if you need 10 of them! In the lower end, the Quadro FX 570 is only $199, where the cheapest AMD/ATI card they tested was the FireGL V7600 at $999. Apples and oranges. So, a couple of big questions before I can take a stand, since it really boils down to: which exact models you are looking at? How many systems will you be assembling? In other words, budget. If you need 5-10 systems in the end, I would suggest building only two at first. Identical in every way, except one has a Quadro the other has a FireGL. Let a couple of the architects use a system for a couple weeks, then swap them into the other system for two more weeks. Then, consult with them to see which of the two they prefered and why. Now you can go ahead and make more of the systems using the prefered vid card and maybe a few other tweaks to the component list (that you discovered when building and setup of the first two). If you only need 2-5 systems then this may be a little difficult to pull off, and would be best if you could return for exchange, the video card you decide against. A good supplier should not have a problem with this, when he is getting several sales out of the deal in the end. If you are looking at the lower end cards, it seems nVidia is the only player in town. In the mid range $1000+, it seems the FireGL is a huge bargin, providing the users like it. In the highest range $1900 - $3000, it seems there is little benefit for the massive price jump. Here is a quick scan of the article results table: . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconise Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 Actually, I am unable to download the Spreadsheet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonar Posted September 11, 2008 Author Share Posted September 11, 2008 save as didn't work either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconise Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 This is a great thread I am going to have a great PC in November. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconise Posted September 11, 2008 Share Posted September 11, 2008 save as didn't work either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonar Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 will the Radeon HD 2600XT 512MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 run IL2 well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonar Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 Another Question? Will a PCI express 2.0 16x card run in a PCI Express 1.0 16x ?? I am gettin confused Found it , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconise Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Yes, PCIe 2.0 is backwards compatible. The only problem I have heard about is when running two PCIe 2.0 cards in a PCIe 1.0 board in SLI (not sure about crossfire). Don't know how the 2900XT will run, but it is a couple generations out of date. The biggest bang for the buck these days seems to be the Radeon 4850 and 4870. The 4870 has a lot more tech in it that the 4850, but pricewise a lot of people are using 2x 4850s in CF that perform better than any other priced dual card system and beats a lot of single card's in price and performance too. The 4870 runs quite hot though, most people modify the fan speeds to help bring down the temps even when idle in the OS. It's still the next card I'd like to buy, but depending on winter prices I may just get another 9800GTX+. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonar Posted October 21, 2008 Author Share Posted October 21, 2008 Thanks Falconise, I started reading about it a bit. I think I am getting close to a final parts list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Posted October 21, 2008 Share Posted October 21, 2008 Hey Tonar If you have a few extra dollars to spend for video, you could try out the 4870X2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1. DDz Quorum B16Enk Posted October 21, 2008 1. DDz Quorum Share Posted October 21, 2008 I'm running a 4870 512 now, with an AMD 6000+ and 4GB RAM. IL2 is very smooth @ 1680 x 1050 perfect, under both XP 64bit and Vista 64bit. Prices are really reasonable now, so I just had to do it. Stayed away from the Phenom CPUs for now though, but one day soon....maybe! Nice to see AutoCAD get a mention, it was using and supporting that in my Manufacturing Engineer days that got me into IT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonar Posted October 22, 2008 Author Share Posted October 22, 2008 The 4870 is a bit out of my range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blairgowrie Posted October 22, 2008 Share Posted October 22, 2008 I think you are already bare bones m8. Can't see anywhere you could whittle unless you went on Ebay and picked up some of the components used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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