The upgrade junkyard/flea-market

[Oldtimer]

Yup! Found them.

They ain't much use to me, so if you want them - postage only.

[Okie]

Hey guys,

I have two X1950pro PCIE cards that are needing a home. I have recently upgraded and don't see having a use for them. It would be good if they could be used instead of shelfed in the garage. I'm in Oklahoma and will UPS them anywhere in the States. I'm not looking to sell them but would just ask to be compensated for whatever it cost to ship them. It would be great if they would be an upgrade for someone who may not otherwise be able to in todays economic climate.

They were used in a crossfire settup and ran IL2 quite well. I had them on a water cooled system so the coolers have no time on them at all. These are PCI Express NOT AGP.

[Okie]

Hey guys,

I have two X1950pro PCIE cards that are needing a home. I have recently upgraded and don't see having a use for them. It would be good if they could be used instead of shelfed in the garage. I'm in Oklahoma and will UPS them anywhere in the States. I'm not looking to sell them but would just ask to be compensated for whatever it cost to ship them. It would be great if they would be an upgrade for someone who may not otherwise be able to in todays economic climate.

They were used in a crossfire settup and ran IL2 quite well. I had them on a water cooled system so the coolers have no time on them at all. These are PCI Express NOT AGP.

[Strider]

~S~ All!

Anyone have an AGP vid card to sell/trade for merchandise of a valuable nature?

[Strider]

~S~ All!

Anyone have an AGP vid card to sell/trade for merchandise of a valuable nature?

[T_O_A_D]

Boy I wish my Mobo supported dual PCIE Okie, I run a single 1950 pcie

Strider look at this, I had this card in this mobo before I got the 1950

My mobo is a ASROCK it has a slot for AGP and PcIE, I couldn't really tell the difference between the two cards.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ATI-RADEON-X850-XT-PE-256MB-PCI-E-DUAL-DVI-R-10827_W0QQitemZ350195943285QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Video_TV_Cards?hash=item51894e0775&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ATI-RADEON-X850-XT-256MB-PCI-E-DUAL-DVI-VIDEO-CARD_W0QQitemZ350203915211QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Video_TV_Cards?hash=item5189c7abcb&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-Radeon-x850-xt-256-MB-AGP-3D-Video-Graphic-Card-VGA_W0QQitemZ290326789420QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Video_TV_Cards?hash=item4398d33d2c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50

There are several of them.

[T_O_A_D]

Boy I wish my Mobo supported dual PCIE Okie, I run a single 1950 pcie

Strider look at this, I had this card in this mobo before I got the 1950

My mobo is a ASROCK it has a slot for AGP and PcIE, I couldn't really tell the difference between the two cards.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ATI-RADEON-X850-XT-PE-256MB-PCI-E-DUAL-DVI-R-10827_W0QQitemZ350195943285QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Video_TV_Cards?hash=item51894e0775&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-ATI-RADEON-X850-XT-256MB-PCI-E-DUAL-DVI-VIDEO-CARD_W0QQitemZ350203915211QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Video_TV_Cards?hash=item5189c7abcb&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50

http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-Radeon-x850-xt-256-MB-AGP-3D-Video-Graphic-Card-VGA_W0QQitemZ290326789420QQcmdZViewItemQQptZPCC_Video_TV_Cards?hash=item4398d33d2c&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A12|66%3A2|39%3A1|72%3A1234|293%3A1|294%3A50

There are several of them.

[Strider]

Thanks, Toad!

Good food for thought and lots to look at.

My rig is a Dell 650 workstation so I can't swap out the mobo, stuck with AGP.

~S~, m8!

[Strider]

Thanks, Toad!

Good food for thought and lots to look at.

My rig is a Dell 650 workstation so I can't swap out the mobo, stuck with AGP.

~S~, m8!

[Zooly]

I have an Asus 8600gt PCIE thats going cheap (or is that the bloody bird again?) by which I mean free aside from postage....OK as long as its cheap (bloody bird).

[Zooly]

I have an Asus 8600gt PCIE thats going cheap (or is that the bloody bird again?) by which I mean free aside from postage....OK as long as its cheap (bloody bird).

[Blairgowrie]

Hey guys,

I have two X1950pro PCIE cards that are needing a home. I have recently upgraded and don't see having a use for them. It would be good if they could be used instead of shelfed in the garage. I'm in Oklahoma and will UPS them anywhere in the States. I'm not looking to sell them but would just ask to be compensated for whatever it cost to ship them. It would be great if they would be an upgrade for someone who may not otherwise be able to in todays economic climate.

They were used in a crossfire settup and ran IL2 quite well. I had them on a water cooled system so the coolers have no time on them at all. These are PCI Express NOT AGP.

Hi Ed,

I am running two X1950XTX in Crossfire as well and wouldn't mind having a back up Master card since they are the hardest to replace. I'd be happy if you airmailed it to me and would gladly pay whatever is involved. You might need to fill out a simple customs form at the post office and you would have to declare a nominal value of say $10.00. As soon as you know what the postage is I can send you a US dollar draft.

[Blairgowrie]

Hey guys,

I have two X1950pro PCIE cards that are needing a home. I have recently upgraded and don't see having a use for them. It would be good if they could be used instead of shelfed in the garage. I'm in Oklahoma and will UPS them anywhere in the States. I'm not looking to sell them but would just ask to be compensated for whatever it cost to ship them. It would be great if they would be an upgrade for someone who may not otherwise be able to in todays economic climate.

They were used in a crossfire settup and ran IL2 quite well. I had them on a water cooled system so the coolers have no time on them at all. These are PCI Express NOT AGP.

Hi Ed,

I am running two X1950XTX in Crossfire as well and wouldn't mind having a back up Master card since they are the hardest to replace. I'd be happy if you airmailed it to me and would gladly pay whatever is involved. You might need to fill out a simple customs form at the post office and you would have to declare a nominal value of say $10.00. As soon as you know what the postage is I can send you a US dollar draft.

[Zooly]

Only 256mb ram which maybe the deciding factor (for the 8600)

[Zooly]

Only 256mb ram which maybe the deciding factor (for the 8600)

[DD_Arthur]

Hey guys,

I have two X1950pro PCIE cards that are needing a home. I have recently upgraded and don't see having a use for them. It would be good if they could be used instead of shelfed in the garage. I'm in Oklahoma and will UPS them anywhere in the States. I'm not looking to sell them but would just ask to be compensated for whatever it cost to ship them. It would be great if they would be an upgrade for someone who may not otherwise be able to in todays economic climate.

They were used in a crossfire settup and ran IL2 quite well. I had them on a water cooled system so the coolers have no time on them at all. These are PCI Express NOT AGP.

I think young

[DD_Arthur]

Hey guys,

I have two X1950pro PCIE cards that are needing a home. I have recently upgraded and don't see having a use for them. It would be good if they could be used instead of shelfed in the garage. I'm in Oklahoma and will UPS them anywhere in the States. I'm not looking to sell them but would just ask to be compensated for whatever it cost to ship them. It would be great if they would be an upgrade for someone who may not otherwise be able to in todays economic climate.

They were used in a crossfire settup and ran IL2 quite well. I had them on a water cooled system so the coolers have no time on them at all. These are PCI Express NOT AGP.

I think young

[Okie]

Jim,

Could you have one of them for a back-up card?

Arthur,

Do you know if he has a mainboard that will support crossfire for his new build? Or would one do the trick?

[Okie]

Jim,

Could you have one of them for a back-up card?

Arthur,

Do you know if he has a mainboard that will support crossfire for his new build? Or would one do the trick?

[Pooka]

BG aren't you running X1950XTXs ?

[Pooka]

BG aren't you running X1950XTXs ?

[Okie]

BG aren't you running X1950XTXs ?

[Okie]

BG aren't you running X1950XTXs ?

[Okie]

This makes it all clear as mud. One thing I do know is the original mainboard I had them running on was a 3200 chipset. The board I have now is the latest and greatest of the 790fx chipset. Both boards ran these cards in crossfire using the ribbon cable from card to card. If I understand correctly, the "Pro" version and the "XTX" version are not a compatible set-up.

First-generation

( documentation taken from Wikipedia, the free Encyclopedia )

CrossFire was first made available to the public on September 27, 2005.

The system required a CrossFire-compliant motherboard with a pair of ATI Radeon PCI Express (PCIe) graphics cards. Radeon x800s, x850s, x1800s and x1900s came in a regular edition, and a 'CrossFire Edition' which has 'master' capability built into the hardware. 'Master' capability is a term used for 5 extra image compositing chips, which combine the output of both cards. One had to buy a Master card, and pair it with a regular card from the same series. The Master card would have shipped with a proprietary DVI Y-dongle, which would plug into the primary DVI ports from both cards, and into the monitor cable. This dongle serves as the main link between both cards, sending incomplete images between them, and complete images to the monitor. Low-end Radeon x1300 and x1600 cards have no 'CrossFire Edition' but are enabled via software, with communication forwarded via the standard PCI Express slots on the motherboard. ATI currently has not created the infrastructure to allow FireGL cards to be set up in a CrossFire configuration. The 'slave' graphics card needed to be from the same family as the 'master'.

An example of a limitation in regard to a Master-card configuration would be the first-generation CrossFire implementation in the Radeon X850 XT Master Card. Because it used a compositing chip from Silicon Image (SiI 163B TMDS), the maximum resolution on an X850 CrossFire setup was limited to 1600×1200 at 60 Hz, or 1920×1440 at 52 Hz. This was considered a problem for CRT owners wishing to use CrossFire to play games at high resolutions, or owners of Widescreen LCD monitors. As many people found a 60 Hz refresh rate with a CRT to strain ones eyes, the practical resolution limit became 1280×1024, which did not push CrossFire enough to justify the cost. The next generation of CrossFire, as employed by the X1800 Master cards, used two sets of compositing chips and a custom double density dual-link DVI Y-dongle to double the bandwidth between cards, raising the maximum resolution and refresh rate to far higher levels.

Second-generation (Software CrossFire)

When used with ATI's "CrossFire Xpress 3200" motherboard chipset, the 'master' card is no longer required for every "CrossFire Ready" card (with the exception of the Radeon X1900 series). With the CrossFire Xpress 3200, two normal cards can be run in a Crossfire setup, using the PCI-E bus for communications. This is similar to X1300 CrossFire, which also uses PCI Express, except that the Xpress 3200 had been built for low-latency and high-speed communication between graphics cards. While performance was impacted, this move was viewed as an overall improvement in market strategy, due to the fact that Crossfire Master cards were expensive, in very high demand, and largely unavailable at the retail level.

Although the CrossFire Xpress 3200 chipset is indeed capable of CrossFire through the PCI-e bus for every Radeon series below the X1900s, the driver accommodations for this CrossFire method has not yet materialized for the X1800 series. ATI has said that future revisions of the Catalyst driver suite will contain what is required for X1800 dongleless CrossFire, but has not yet mentioned a specific date.

Current generation (CrossFire X)

With the release of the Radeon X1950 Pro (RV570 GPU), ATI has completely revised CrossFire's connection infrastructure to further eliminate the need for past Y-dongle/Master card and slave card configurations for CrossFire to operate. ATI's CrossFire connector is now a ribbon-like connector attached to the top of each graphics adapter, similar to nVidia's SLi bridges, but different in physical and logical natures. As such, Master Cards no longer exist, and are not required for maximum performance. Two dongles can be used per card; these were put to full use with the release of CrossFire X. Radeon HD 2900 and HD 3000 series cards use the same ribbon connectors, but the HD 3800 series of cards only require one ribbon connector, to facilitate CrossFire X. Unlike older series of Radeon cards, different HD 3800 series cards can be combined in CrossFire, each with separate clock control.

Since the release of the codenamed Spider desktop platform from AMD on November 19, 2007, the CrossFire setup has been updated with support for a maximum of four video cards with the 790FX chipset; the CrossFire branding was then changed to "ATI CrossFire X". The setup, according to internal testing by AMD, will bring at least 3.2x performance increase in several games and applications which required massive graphics capabilities of the computer system, the setup is targeted to the enthusiast market. A later development include a dual GPU solution that was released in early 2008, the "ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2", featuring only one CrossFire connector for dual card, four GPU scalability.

[Okie]

This makes it all clear as mud. One thing I do know is the original mainboard I had them running on was a 3200 chipset. The board I have now is the latest and greatest of the 790fx chipset. Both boards ran these cards in crossfire using the ribbon cable from card to card. If I understand correctly, the "Pro" version and the "XTX" version are not a compatible set-up.

First-generation

( documentation taken from Wikipedia, the free Encyclopedia )

CrossFire was first made available to the public on September 27, 2005.

The system required a CrossFire-compliant motherboard with a pair of ATI Radeon PCI Express (PCIe) graphics cards. Radeon x800s, x850s, x1800s and x1900s came in a regular edition, and a 'CrossFire Edition' which has 'master' capability built into the hardware. 'Master' capability is a term used for 5 extra image compositing chips, which combine the output of both cards. One had to buy a Master card, and pair it with a regular card from the same series. The Master card would have shipped with a proprietary DVI Y-dongle, which would plug into the primary DVI ports from both cards, and into the monitor cable. This dongle serves as the main link between both cards, sending incomplete images between them, and complete images to the monitor. Low-end Radeon x1300 and x1600 cards have no 'CrossFire Edition' but are enabled via software, with communication forwarded via the standard PCI Express slots on the motherboard. ATI currently has not created the infrastructure to allow FireGL cards to be set up in a CrossFire configuration. The 'slave' graphics card needed to be from the same family as the 'master'.

An example of a limitation in regard to a Master-card configuration would be the first-generation CrossFire implementation in the Radeon X850 XT Master Card. Because it used a compositing chip from Silicon Image (SiI 163B TMDS), the maximum resolution on an X850 CrossFire setup was limited to 1600×1200 at 60 Hz, or 1920×1440 at 52 Hz. This was considered a problem for CRT owners wishing to use CrossFire to play games at high resolutions, or owners of Widescreen LCD monitors. As many people found a 60 Hz refresh rate with a CRT to strain ones eyes, the practical resolution limit became 1280×1024, which did not push CrossFire enough to justify the cost. The next generation of CrossFire, as employed by the X1800 Master cards, used two sets of compositing chips and a custom double density dual-link DVI Y-dongle to double the bandwidth between cards, raising the maximum resolution and refresh rate to far higher levels.

Second-generation (Software CrossFire)

When used with ATI's "CrossFire Xpress 3200" motherboard chipset, the 'master' card is no longer required for every "CrossFire Ready" card (with the exception of the Radeon X1900 series). With the CrossFire Xpress 3200, two normal cards can be run in a Crossfire setup, using the PCI-E bus for communications. This is similar to X1300 CrossFire, which also uses PCI Express, except that the Xpress 3200 had been built for low-latency and high-speed communication between graphics cards. While performance was impacted, this move was viewed as an overall improvement in market strategy, due to the fact that Crossfire Master cards were expensive, in very high demand, and largely unavailable at the retail level.

Although the CrossFire Xpress 3200 chipset is indeed capable of CrossFire through the PCI-e bus for every Radeon series below the X1900s, the driver accommodations for this CrossFire method has not yet materialized for the X1800 series. ATI has said that future revisions of the Catalyst driver suite will contain what is required for X1800 dongleless CrossFire, but has not yet mentioned a specific date.

Current generation (CrossFire X)

With the release of the Radeon X1950 Pro (RV570 GPU), ATI has completely revised CrossFire's connection infrastructure to further eliminate the need for past Y-dongle/Master card and slave card configurations for CrossFire to operate. ATI's CrossFire connector is now a ribbon-like connector attached to the top of each graphics adapter, similar to nVidia's SLi bridges, but different in physical and logical natures. As such, Master Cards no longer exist, and are not required for maximum performance. Two dongles can be used per card; these were put to full use with the release of CrossFire X. Radeon HD 2900 and HD 3000 series cards use the same ribbon connectors, but the HD 3800 series of cards only require one ribbon connector, to facilitate CrossFire X. Unlike older series of Radeon cards, different HD 3800 series cards can be combined in CrossFire, each with separate clock control.

Since the release of the codenamed Spider desktop platform from AMD on November 19, 2007, the CrossFire setup has been updated with support for a maximum of four video cards with the 790FX chipset; the CrossFire branding was then changed to "ATI CrossFire X". The setup, according to internal testing by AMD, will bring at least 3.2x performance increase in several games and applications which required massive graphics capabilities of the computer system, the setup is targeted to the enthusiast market. A later development include a dual GPU solution that was released in early 2008, the "ATI Radeon HD 3870 X2", featuring only one CrossFire connector for dual card, four GPU scalability.