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Morning all During our flying sessions over the past few months I have been picking up feelings of slight annoyance through to deep frustration over how some of us have been singled out, shot down or spotted way before we should by other flyers. I am not talking about the AI doing this, but other human flyers. It is fair to say that all of us have been flying together for many years so I think I am able to speak freely. We flew 46 together too and got used to a set of icons that did away with a lot of unrealistic indicators so I now think it is time to get that sort of set up in GBS. I understand that there are flyers coming back to us and finding GBS something new and different and that is fully understandable so what I am suggesting is that we work towards a situation where we are all given a chance to fly more fairly and more realistically. There are flyers here that are more than capable of flying with limited icons and I think they should do so and there are also those that could work up to this position. Please note I am not saying that flyers should use the game setting that removes all icons (although that is what I am getting used to doing) because I am aware that an individuals' screen or eyesight can make spotting aircraft and ground targets difficult. As one who flys mostly ground attack it can be frustrating when I can't fly low to escape attacking fighters because I have a triangle permanently attached that says to fighters 'Here he is!!' I understand this is what happens when flyers use icons but for me, I am setting myself a challenge by switching them off. The only information I have displayed on screen is the small mini map (because pilots carry maps) and the technical information on the right because it allows me to see bomb and rocket settings for a short period before they disappear by default. However, if we as a group use the Mods below: we keep flyers' names off the screen we keep other aircraft off maps and prevent the spotting of enemy aircraft when they are many kms away. This can be a particular PITA! we keep aircraft (particularly enemy) out of view in the virtual sky until they are in a realistic spotting distance from in the cockpit ie. 10km we still can hear AI tactical spotting information so enemy flights can be picked up by other aircraft not by map icons...much better I think I suggest that we all work towards using these two Mods: Number one Number two I believe that most are using the first one. The second one works perfectly. When in use, on the minimap and briefing map a lot of us use in flight the only aircraft visible is the pilot's own so you can still use maps for navigation. No other aircraft appear on them at all and the first time you see them is when they get within 10k and their icon appears in the virtual sky. All in all, much more realistic, achievable and fun!! Would be nice to see more than seven downloads considering our numbers last night.....;) I would like to see these Mods adopted as standard use for the Dogz. What do you think? Cheerzen

thanks guys...was fun. twenty seconds, sheep, Painless' awkward advances, nonsensical violent threats...just like old times. was great to see so many familiar names. and familiar unintelligible accents. off for work tomorrow for a week , but should be able to join next Sunday. will have bodenplate by then. maybe consider airstarts for just the Sunday till i can get game better figured. look forward.

Over across the pond we often join a server with AI online to play. There are a few with icons (usually simplified engine management as well) and later you can up the game too others with no icons. They're interesting objective based missions with the added intrigue of the (very) occasional breather. A gaggle of Dogz would have no trouble controlling the sky and a dogfight gets everyone back in the action. Shooting star server (Normal and expert servers) and the Unprofessionals come to mind immediately, I'm sure there are others

I support limited icons for planes and have been using that for months, rather than names for everyone, makes it much more entertaining imo. This is pretty much how we often ended up flying 46 in later years anyway (only have names at close range for friendlies). Also just having our own plane on the map, which is what we used to do in 46 anyway.

@Colin, don’t worry about that mate, it was exciting to feel your bullets penetrating my slender fuselage as I floundered around not knowing what to do or say 🤣 I agree with Sidly whole heartedly, ( now there is a surprise). We have all been doing this for so long now that there is no reason why we should not be using more realistic advanced settings to challenge ourselves. If it’s easy it’s boring. We don’t need no “radar” or stinking name and distance icons 🤪 It is about everyone having some successful missions and some perhaps not so. Any rules should be by the Dogz for the Dogz.

I can't say I have noticed people being singled out - its usually me getting shot down early because i have put myself in a position making me a target. I would support not having names (@painless - I did not know it was you until I got really close after spotting your icon - I had height and chased a red dot down). I may not have spotted you if not for the icon it has to be said. I would support doing away with icons above planes, as Sid says it does give the game away. I would plead for my plane only on the maps as I am useless at navigation. To this end I am going to do what is required from my part to remove in-game icons, but it does need all of us to buy into it. (that is the buy in without spending money of course)

Fingers crossed! Oh wait, no, that will probably not work at all now would it?

I do agree with the spotting challenges... but other than my own feelings, I have not picked anything up from others regarding any frustration ... (I must be dense ... lol) And I'm with you on both mods, I got them both installed and running. Good idea to have these two.

This is a tricky one , I understand frustrations as I often fly blue and bombers and the need to try to address some issues but I think that this sim is particularly bad for spotting dots. There are threads on the developers forums dedicated to this and many opinions on what is right but little agreement, so people choose the best options to compensate for the percieved difficulties. In my opinion the game engine is not optimised so very difficult to spot dots and that they tend to dissapear with different settings ;VR users seem to have a particular advantage and spot dots much easier. I believe they have to use a lower resolution but most choose to fly at higher resolutions as they believe it looks better. Using the icons mod, I have flown right over planes and failed to see them on numerous occaisions and looked round and never spotted planes coming on my six as they dissapear with different zoom settings, so I value the use of the map. Personally Im ok with leaving it to the individual to use what he likes, I dont think anyone here seeks an unfair advantage by using the map it just compensates for the games difficiencies.