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I can appreciate what you guys are going through with this topic. IL2 still does have the most content of any WWII sim out there. It is going to go away at some point. Just like Janes WWII fighters and the like did because of the lack of Windows support in one way or the other. I was not a fan of BOS when it first came out; indeed I fully regretted buying it. That has all changed because they have not only improved the flight models, but the graphics are much better, especially with the addition of the Kuban map. I very much enjoy flying BOX and a number of us fly almost every evening. With the future addition of the Battle of Bodenplatte which includes 8 Aircraft (P-51D, P-47D, Spitfire Mk.IX, Tempest Mk.V, Bf 109 G-14, Bf 109 K-4, Fw 190 A-8 and Me 262) and 2 Collector Planes (P-38L and Fw 190 D-9) that can be bought separately, I think, currently, that is where the future of WWII simming lies. Someday maybe DCS will get its act together and fix the horrible damage modes on the AI aircraft, (using simple fight models for them) until then it BOX for me. And but the way about DCS and complexity, you always have the option to use “auto start”. I never thought I could fly the A10C but I learned with the help of some in the community (that would be Capt. Jack) I found the experience to be very enjoyable. Any one of you that have or thinking about getting BOX, as Jack said, I, Perfesser, Spaulding, Gustang, wingflyer, are flying almost every evening, we’d love to see you there. I never thought I would be saying all this about a sim I fully rejected from the outset. All I know is that whatever you all decide; I will be all in with my financial support for the Dogz as always.

I'm not sure if 'we' are suggesting anything. I don't think things have got that far. I am suggesting that people who have not got any of the BoX series should start with Battle of Stalingrad premium edition. https://il2sturmovik.com/store/battle-of-stalingrad/ All the BoX series have the same minimum requirements; Quad core processor running at least 3Mhz 3Ghz, gpu nvidia 660/1050 or equivalent. Operating system must be Win7 64bit or above. Having Battle of Stalingrad will give the basic plane set to be competitive in multiplayer. How it works; in single player you will have access to the Stalingrad map and two other community made maps and the ten aircraft that come with Battle of Stalingrad. You will also be able to fly against the other aircraft. In multiplayer you will be able to fly on all the maps. So if you choose to join a dogfight server in multiplayer that is running the Battle of Kuban map you will be able to fly on this map. However, you will only be able to fly the aircraft that you have in the Battle of Stalingrad game. If any of the Dogz don't meet these minimum specs yet? Then in my opinion we wait. There is still plenty of time. This thread is about an exploration of the future. In no way should any member of the Dogz feel worried about their ability to continue flying with the group. This must not become a excersize in loosing members! Videos you have seen suggest a significant imbalance in flight models? Welcome to the world of Luftwhining The game itself is constantly updated with free patches. A large and significant one is coming just before christmas. Game updates - a history of; https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic/12826-game-updates/?p=503128

I had not flown BoX with anyone until yesterday with Jack and AP. I found out that Jack can host with no problems on his local pc. Gustang has made many missions and knows the editor pretty well. And you can see your aircraft on the o map by pressing the i key. It shows up as a black aircraft icon. We just flew one mission, but we started on the runway with engines running. Just had to know how to set 2-3 things before takeoff. One of the things that had confused me is that I didn't know that you can have duplicate hotas assignments in your settings. I thought they would conflict. You can setup an axis for something in one aircraft and the same axis for something else in another aircraft. I had not assigned an axis to the La5's cowl flaps because I had used all of my axis for other planes. But Jack explained that was not a problem. I can just assign it again.

Well, personally I can't see much difference between 30 and 100FPS - We're just so used to the power of modern computers that more of anything is assumed to be better - even if we can't tell the difference.

I am VERY GOOD at senior moments

DangerWingz? WalkerDogz? DogzWings? DogzWalkerDangerWingz?

Yeah, well, kinda brilliant Winter map at 8 in the morning. Please do note the comment at right hand top of the screen.

I’m not, I have a standard monitor and have no tearing issues. I enable vsync as standard and I never see any tearing Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I have been largely away because of personal issues and in the past year I'm unable to get to my 'puter until minutes before everyone is packing it in because of work. I'm awaiting developments in CloD eagerly and I have pretty much decided to start picking up with BoX as I can afford it. I am a little leery of spending money on games because other people are playing them, as I have a whole stack of those that I've played for a minute then lost interest when every one else did, but I don't consider the Dogz "other people", so yeah, I'm for certain interested in keeping up with whatever transpires here, and I hope to be able to join up more in the future. In the end no matter that I enjoy space games and Shooters and any number of other computer related distractions, flight sims are my first love and the Dogz are my squad whatever else happens.

Agree wholeheartedly

I agree with delta's comments. I also think that there are two aspects that need addressing by the Dogz. What we fly and how we cover the associated costs. This is a topic about what we fly so I won't comment further on website and server costs. What we fly as a group is the most important reason for us being together. As individuals we can fly whatever flight sim we want when we want, sharing these times with others that choose to take part. However as a group that chooses to spend time together at certain times on certain days then we have to fly something at those times that is accessible to all that turn up. By accessible I mean it has to have minimal cost implication, relatively simple to run on pcs and relatively simple to set up and fly. The only sims that I know of that meet these criteria are IL2 1946 and CloD so it is understandable that these are the ones flown officially on particular days at particular times. We are so used to the '46 sim by now and, apart from computer glitches and pilot error, I believe it suits our purpose brilliantly. I would like to see IL2 46 flown by the Dogz until the time comes it naturally falls due to lack of technical or pilot support. CloD just doesn't do it for me because there is no variety. Some Dogz have said that even though it represents the period well it can be repetitive. I will fly IL2 46 for as long as it is physically and technically possible. It is fun, frustrating and I love the banter from the Dogz. I have absolutely no control over the technical support and progression of the game so the length of time it remains workable is guesswork, I am just grateful that it still works after all this time. I would like to believe we have a few years left in the game. We have a huge collection of missions to fly and Dogz are making efforts to improve and provide more content, teamwork and competitiveness in order to keep our pilots and perhaps encourage new members. What would be a shame in my view is IL2 46 dropping out of favour amongst the Dogz because pilots are spending their valuable flying time on other sims during official IL2 46 flying sessions. Their choice but my view. I will be concentrating on setting up and supporting BoS etc. because that is my next step outside of '46. The content and plane set is expanding and it interests me. I understand that doing so isn't supporting the Dogz as much because I have chosen not to fly CloD and I also understand that this path is going to cost me money to get the full sim. Not every Dog would want to pay for content but unless CloD expands to make it more than just a speciality sim I don't see how we can move on from IL2 46 when it eventually expires. So, for me: 1. IL2 46, 2. BoS etc, 3. CloD 4. DCS Cheerzen

We have already acknowledged the fact that we need to move with the times to some degree. CLOD has taken the place of IL2 on Thursdays and it needed to due to popular demand. For me, as long as the squad, ( an online group of well established friends), share whatever flight sim on whatever day I will be happy. Tom makes some very good points about the future of IL2 and I share Swoops love for the variety it offers. From what I have heard DCS is probably the best flight sim on offer but maybe not the best thing to replace IL2 if and when we need to because of its complexity. I have no expieriance of BOS or BOX but it sounds like it might be a possibility along with CLOD if it expands. As Tom has asked, everyone needs to express an opinion here so we know where we are...... Painintheass : )

I go all the way with Swep. In every aspect . IL2 is bringing fun to disperse all our mundane stress and problems, and that within seconds of clicking "fly". My two cents... ~S~

A personal thought. For me, il2 is still number one. So far.. There is still a lot to explore. Unfortunately, graphics and technology are outdated, which means we may look after a replacement sooner or later, me think. I have wondered if BOS is a worthy follower. Have not tried it yet but as far I have seen, and heard, it looks good. Personally, I like CLOD a lot but it's starting to be a bit boring to fly the same map and mission every time. Hoping for updates in a close future. If that happen, I will stick to Clod for a bit longer. As for DCS, I'm not interested, yet, as it seems more like a flight simulator than a game like IL2. Or BOS. It's no as important for me to press the correct buttons, flip the right switches and be totally devoted to the realistics, like in DCS. I want varied missions, co-ops and maps. I'm for a continuation of IL2. It seems that it may be relevant to look closer a replacement for IL2 in the foreseeable future, though.

"What are you looking at dear?" "Oh, the guys on the DD forum were showing me neat pictures of their balls...what, what?

It's the fact that you have three balls that keeps distracting them.

T_O_A_D's glowing balls really do work ! Using some green reflective tape (designed to be attached to clothing) I added some strips to a small ball (nicked from one of the kids "connect 4" games) and fitted it to the top reflector of my vector clip. The left and right movement seems to be ok, it was the looking up that lost track. This fix really does seem to have solved this problem. Great post T_O_A_D and thank you Plus 1 karma from me. Friar